Sunday, November 13, 2005

Abe Lincoln Just loved Dem black folk……

Anybody who has read this blog for some time and anybody who knows me personally know that the one subject that will usually set me off is for someone to mention
Abe Lincoln.
Anytime I am in a setting, I hear someone speak so glowingly, and admiringly about Lincoln as if he was the second coming of Jesus H. Christ, I get a massive headache!
Hence the post below. I recycle almost anytime someone mentions his name just to relieve the headache.

Hence the following:

Abraham Lincoln "was a racist who opposed equal rights for black people, who loved minstrel shows, who used the N-word, who wanted to deport all blacks," a veteran journalist and historian says.

Where did this come from you say…… Well the other day at work a co-worker showed me an old picture of a black family during the civil war era and they were gathered around the fireplace and a picture of Ole Abe with two candles flanking it as they gazed lovingly at it.
I thought is this a fucken joke?
Even as a little kid I never understood why American history looked so favorable at Lincoln. In school I was hardly a good student. I got D’s in history constantly (except when dealing with current event or political stuff). But even as the only black in many of my classes and hearing the history teachers speak so eloquently about ole Abe I was thinking myself that fucker Abe did not give a rats ass about Slaves or Blacks. But nobody even today seems to want to acknowledge that.
Below is some stuff you won’t see in history books nor come out of the mouth of historical scholars.

*Lincoln publicly referred to blacks by the most offensive racial slur. In one speech, Lincoln said he opposed the expansion of slavery into the territories because he didn't want the West "to become an asylum for slavery and niggers."

* Lincoln was, in the words of one friend, "especially fond of Negro minstrel shows," attending blackface performances in Chicago and Washington. At an 1860 performance of Rumsey and Newcomb's Minstrels, Lincoln "clapped his great hands, demanding an encore, louder than anyone" when the minstrels performed "Dixie." Lincoln was also fond of what he called "darky" jokes, Mr. Bennett documents.

* Lincoln envisioned and advocated an all-white West, declaring at Alton, Ill., in 1858, that he was "in favor of our new territories being in such a condition that white men may find a home ... as an outlet for free white people everywhere, the world over."

* Lincoln supported his home state's law, passed in 1853, forbidding blacks to move to Illinois. The Illinois state constitution, adopted in 1848, called for laws to "effectually prohibit free persons of color from immigrating to and settling in this state."

* Lincoln blamed blacks for the Civil War, telling them, "But for your race among us there could not be a war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or another."

* Lincoln claimed that "the people of Mexico are most decidedly a race of mongrels. I understand that there is not more than one person there out of eight who is pure white."

* Repeatedly over the course of his career, Lincoln urged that American blacks be sent to Africa or elsewhere.

In 1854, Lincoln declared his "first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia; to their own native land." In 1860, Lincoln called for the "emancipation and deportation" of slaves.

In his State of the Union addresses as president, he twice called for the deportation of blacks. In 1865, in the last days of his life, Lincoln said of blacks, "I believe it would be better to export them all to some fertile country with a good climate, which they could have to themselves."


Lincoln said: "I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I ... am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position."

Sounds like a fucken white supremacist!

He also said, "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could do it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.."

His intentions of fighting the South did NOT lie with abolishing slavery, but to save the Union. Even though Lincoln died in April of 1865, the Thirteenth Amendment which abolished slavery was not instituted until eight months later, nearly three years from his "slave freeing" Emancipation Proclamation.

Another Lincoln quote was, "Your race suffers greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence. If this is admitted, it affords a reason why we should be separated." - quoted from John Hope Franklin's book, "From Slavery to Freedom"

So Lincoln had little experience with black people. There was terrible problems of slave unrest and white violence in older states like South Carolina and Virginia where slaves had been bought and sold for generations. In Illinois the problem was ignorance and prejudice. Along with his neighbors, Lincoln believed that Negroes were probably inferior to white people. He didn't believe they had the mental capacity to hold the same rights as white people like voting or serving on juries. As a result of his beliefs, he called grown adult black men 'boys', and told stories about "pickanninnies", "Sambos", "darkies", and "niggers".

It wasn't until he was 19 that he traveled out of Illinois and experienced slavery markets in other states. On his trip he and his partner were attacked by seven negroes and had to fight them off. It wasn't until he was 28 that he finally spoke out publically against slave markets. However, on another one of his trips out of the state, he saw "12 negroes' chained together, who were enjoying themselves, joking amongst themselves and having a good time. He commented later that they were the happiest creatures on board the ship and it was a blessing that God didn't give them the awareness of their plight. Most southerners believed that the slaves had a good life as 'they were a child race' as Jefferson Davis was quoted to have said.


Anonymous Terrymum said...

Like many parts of history, the Abe Lincoln story is only partially told in most classes. So we have most of America thinking he loved Blacks so much he fought to save them from slavery, when in fact his reason for going to war were a lot more complicated then that. It was, for the most, an economic decision; the south could always make cheaper goods as long as they had cheaper help. So Lincoln proposed aboliting slavery, gradually, so that there was more equality between the states. And he fought the war to save the Union. But for his time, Lincoln said quite a few non-racist things about the slaves.

In the debates, Stephen Douglas said that Lincoln of favored immediate abolition in the South and racial equality in the North. Not to refute such charges would be political suicide. Lincoln denied "all intention to bring about social and political equality between the white and black races." But he went on to affirm,

"I think the negro is included in the word `men' used in the Declaration of Independence--I believe the declaration that `all men are created equal' is the great fundamental principle upon which our free institutions rest."

Abraham Lincoln, autograph letter to James N. Brown, October 18, 1858. (Huntington Library)

So, with some judicious research, you can probably find support for hating or loving Lincoln. Just like you can for almost any position.

Nothing in this life is 100% one way. Every human being has some good and evil in them.

Anonymous Snoop said...

Some of us seem to forget that we (I) knew of all of the positive rhetoric about Abe, I grew up in a white run public school system. Remember the old phrase, “history is written by the winners” The difference in my post is I bet few if any young black people certainly young white people did not know of the racist side of his character, in my mind the true side of Lincoln.

I already knew about this particular quote:

“After seeing over 200,000 African-Americans volunteer and fight alongside Union forces, Lincoln dropped his support for plans to colonize freed slaves to Africa after the Civil War. In an 1863 speech, Lincoln stated, "there will be some black men who can remember that, with silent tongue, and clenched teeth, and steady eye, and well-poised bayonet, they have helped mankind on to this great consummation, while, I fear, there will be some white ones, unable to forget that, with malignant heart, and deceitful speech, they have strove to hinder it."

Shit, does a nigga gotta die for the white man before he can get some respect. Get real.

The reason, whites would forgive and excuse that mindset is because it is still commonplace today. “Oh he just echoed what whites thought about black in that day, we don’t feel that way about negros now.”

Read the white only comments section post. Scores of white people still walk around and behave the same damm way. They just have to be silent about it and politically correct about it.

Anonymous honest abe said...

Interesting blog. A good read.


Abraham Lincoln Jr.
honest abe

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well... i must say that this is the most interesting blog i have ever read. Do you know if he ever owned any slaves him self? He does not seem like the "good guy" he was poortraded to be in history, and by teachers themselves. I was a excellent student while going to school, but, like you, I enjoyed the political things about school. I am just so sick of the government and every body else making our 'community" seem so innocent.

Anonymous Anonymous said...

r u fuckin insane, u cant post that shit on the internet

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm assuming this was written by an African American. The reason I say this is because it appears biased. They are quoting how a person talked in the 1800's about 'blacks' when it was a time where there was an extremely large racial barrier. Lincoln played his cards the way the were required to be played, regardless of whether he "loved or hated" blacks. Bottom line is that the slaves were freed because of Lincoln and this is a political fact.

Personally, I don't get along with many african americans because today instead of a racial barrier, there is a social barrier. The majority of the black community in this area in my age demographic does not act the same as the white community. Do understand that i don't get along with certain parts of the white community the same as I do get along with parts of the black community. There is small overlap between the two but it is not abundant. This does not mean I'm racist because I don't get along socially with the majority of black people, it is just the fact that we don't have similar interests or beleifs. The black friends that I do have are the same as my white friends, race has never been and never will be an issue because friendship isn't skin deep.

In the 1800's thru early to late 1900's many blacks wanted equality and to be treated fairly. Today, many want to be defined by their own culture and segregate themselves from other communities. One example of this is the use of the "N" word. It is okay for a black person to call another "my N*****" without any offense being taken, while a white person doing the same is considered racist. This is a double standard which self-segregates the individual using it in that context.

This brings me to my last point, which identifies, and you can quote me on this, that there will never be a day in our lifetime where we live as one community with zero prejudice towards others. It is human nature to socially adapt to people you can relate to culturally, and this is what forms these cliches that for some reason creates inherent behavior that promotes prejudice.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Anonymous who does not like the african american community or thinks you can relate... I think it isnt an issue of race but of culture. As a black/latino man, i have often felt on the outside of both racial groups. I am cultrually not truely either, like most americans im more apple pie than rice and beans or collard greens. But as i appreciate my heritage, i respect it, i honor it, i enjoy culture period and that incorprates religous cultures as well. i think that if we get over the obvious, black, brown, white and realize that its really personalities that define us, youll realize that you just dont like anyone, we're all asses and we're all the same. I can hate a black person as easily as i can hate a white or an Asian, cause if they suck they just sucke regrdless of the rest!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alright, I've seen all of your comments and I am disappointed in the lack depth of study into this man's life. I'll start with science of that day that was taught at Americas great
universities. A continuation from 1441 roman pope's order of the enslavement of the "desendants of ham", and that transformed into teaching that negrows were of a lower life form. This was said of by highly educated men. So up to the civil war Lincoln's thoughts were merely the talk of the day. Now around 1862 july-aug his thought began to change. Why?, because he was loseing the country. He changed after
freeing then seeing 90,000 black soldiers save the union. In fact his last speech he was talking about giving the black man the right to vote, and in the crowd was john wilks booth (southern sympathizer); who said "that's the last speech he'll ever give."

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lincoln was right; the blacks should have been shipped back to Africa. Every black-controlled community in America is a festering hell-hole of rape, murder and mayhem. But, we have to pretend that it's just a "cultural difference". Blacks are a race of pathological narcissists, with no conscience, no morals, and no accountability; just towering egos and a vast sense of entitlement. Sure, there is the occasional genius black who can act like a civilized human being. But along with him, you get his baggage of hundreds of murderers, rapists, burglars, car-jackers, crack-ho's, scammers, thieves and assorted con-artists. White kids are being taken in by this BS and still think it's "cool" to "act black". Blacks are breeding like roaches and once they gain control, civilization will disappear from America. Game over.

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