Friday, October 21, 2005


HEY LIBERALS What does this list prove?

While circulating liberal blogs and since none of them posted anything on the 403-3 vote, I ran across this list that is being circulated. I find this amusing because I guess liberal Democrats think that this list somehow demonizes Republicans and discredit them.
Service in the Armed Forces


* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V,Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam. Paraplegic from war injuries. Served in Congress.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars,and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and AirMedal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.


* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." (The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.)
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; failed to show up
* B-1 Bob Dornan: enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem, " although continued in NFL for 8 years as quarterback.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

Pundits & Preachers

* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
I’m confused, and I’m a reasonable smart guy. Members of congress vote on all sorts of things as a representative of their constituents.
If they vote on health care reform is it necessary that they have worked in a hospital?
If they vote on highway legislation is it necessary that they are engineers of some type?
If they vote on budget items, do they need to be an accountant or have budget experience?
If they vote on farming legislation, do they have to have experience in farming, worked on or lived on a farm?
What about the environment. Do they need to be a Botanists, Geologists or some sort of a scientist?

Lets look at my background.

I have served on the boards of several medical organizations. Also served as a fundraising chair for several other medical organizations.
Was one of the founding members of an inner city medical clinic. Co chaired the fundraising of the venture.
I served as an elected representative on a local city board.
I served on a municipal planning and zoning commission.
I served on a municipal budget committee several times.
I served on a school budget committee.
I served as chair on a school desegregation committee.
Served as a chair on a business development group.
Was a founding board member of a YMCA.
Served on my former medical centers Mission Outreach Committee.
Chaired on several community issues ranging from, illegal dumping, zoning a planning task force, neighborhood development issues, vehicle traffic, coal trains, discrimination issues and waste management.
There is more stuff that I don’t even remember.
What is my background, HS Grad, “some” college. My background is A/V production, video production, videography, photography, computer graphics. OH I NEVER OWNED A BUSINESS.
My work background received from the Air Force.
So seeing my background, and knowing I served in the AF for a time, does that make me more qualified to have an opinion on the war or if I were a member of congress would that make me “qualified” to vote on it as you liberal democrats are implying with this list.
Some of you liberals don’t have COMMON FUCKEN SENSE.
Most of the people circulating this list likely did not serve in the military.


Anonymous El Borak said...

Dude, it's perfect green car liberalism. Why does George McGovern make the list but not Bob Dole? Why does Jimmy Carter make the list but not GHWBush? Why include Howell Heflin and Fritz Hollings but not Pat Roberts or Ike?

Because they are simply looking for data that fits the model and then declaring all cars to be green. As the note on Stevo's blog said, "I am sure this one has been around, but I had never seen everything together in one place." Of course, it is not remotely "everything." It is only the data that fits the model.

That's why Pete Stark is noted as "Air Force 1955-57" But Bob Dornan who served in the Air Force from 1952-1958 and in the Cal Air Guard after that is noted as "enlisted after fighting was over in Korea." It's simple spin.

What they are proving, of course, is nothing more than "how liberals think," which is to assemble data that fits their pre-conceived notions and then using that data to reinforce their opinions. They consistently confuse being critical with thinking critically.

All that being said, there is a certain amount of emotional appeal. We naturally want leaders who have done what they are asking others to do, and I can understand how liberals can find hypocrisy in those who have never served but who think others ought to go off to war. In certain specific cases, they may be absolutely correct in calling those people chickenhawks.

However, in the case of the military, I think they are dangerously misled. There is a reason that our military is supposed to be under civilian control, and that reason is that history shows it is far more dangerous to place control of civilians in the hands of generals than it is to place generals in the hands of civilians. Many military men glory in war (think Patton, Alexander, think Caesar) and it has long been a practice of military men to seek immortality through conquest.

Personally, I'd rather have the military in the hands of those who are less personally susceptible to that kind of temptation.

Anonymous Snoop said...

But what sad B is how in order for you to find this list or this argument credible you have to be ignorant and totally lacking in common sense.
Libs are amazing!

Anonymous El Borak said...

"you have to be ignorant and totally lacking in common sense"

No, you just need to consider winning more important than intellectual honesty...


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